You will never walk alone!!!

**Dirtycheat** · 11-11-2007, 08:27 AM

YWNWA!

you can stop throwing bricks at me now, i read this in the daily mail and couldnt stop laughing. I heard someone talk about this before but i thought it was just a wind up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daily mail

Liverpool fans have dismissed claims their famous terrace anthem You'll Never Walk Alone was first sung by bitter rivals Manchester United.

A new book, Celtic United, says the Kop was beaten to the tune by at least five years when United supporters sang it as a tribute to the dead of the 1958 Munich air crash.

not only that, but everton and celtic started singing the song before liverpool too. and they think that theyre the first to sing it

moley · 11-11-2007, 04:00 PM

lol yeah I saw it in the daily mail as well,damn scouse and their stealing ways. >_<

dada · 11-12-2007, 12:12 PM

Copycats always want to be original eh?

tettehsrafalution · 11-13-2007, 05:51 PM

Well - hopefully I won't get slaughtered on here... I'm a Liverpool fan through and through. I signed up on here not to wind you lot up, but to see what your fan-site is like and to hear what UTD fans think of various issues (many a time Liverpool fans put on our red-tinted-specs and it's sometimes refreshing to hear a different perspective).

So anyway, I'm going to be on here from time to time, with no intention of making enemies, but only for some good banter and debate.

Quite funny that the first topic I see here is about the YNWA anthem.
I've heard Liverpool fans adopted it after Gerry and the Pacemakers did a cover of it in 1963, and that supposedly UTD and Celtic fans had sang it at once or twice before then.

If that is the case, as it well may be (I hear Mario Lanza sang it for UTD after the munich disaster), it's no skin off my nose. What matters most isn't which set of fans sang it first, but who adopted it as theirs. Many a song has been sang by many fans around the world, but this song resonated enough with Liverpool fans for us to keep singing it over and over again until it is now practically synonymous with our club in footballing circles.
We don't claim we wrote the song, and it doesn't matter who sang it first (even now, many clubs in Holland sing it).

What matters is we've sang it to our team non-stop ever since, and it's now seen as ours by the media and even other teams' fans - Imagine what would happen if some poor idiot in the Stretford end started singing YNWA during a UTD match? I doubt very much that the gentlemen around him would join in and start singing along remembering the time Mario Lanza sang it...

So yeah - Celtic fans may well have sang it before us, and Mario might have sang it for UTD before us, and Frank Sinatra might have had a hit with it in 1945, but today, in footballing circles, most people (at least in England) associate the song with Liverpool because we sing it with passion to our team WHETHER WE'RE WINNING OR LOSING (see Istanbul - we sang that song when we were 3-0 along with chanting we're going to win 4-3). It's that passion for the meaning of the song that means so much to Liverpool fans and players that has made this song ours - NOT who sang it first.

**GocartMozart** · 11-13-2007, 07:51 PM

that's all well and good, and you can believe that as a united fan, i couldn't care less. I would like those that have made comments above me, to take into perspective the hypocracy of having a reaction to hearing the song and then saying that it's been stolen from you. The feelings that song generate when I hear it sung are not pleasant and thus I've by default associated it with Liverpool. To then try to pull it back and try to claim it for Manchester United is just silly. The scouse can have it.

Anyone else feel bad for Frank Sinatra? He's the true victim.

tettehsrafalution · 11-13-2007, 08:48 PM

Exactly - I can't imagine hearing UTD fans singing YNWA. It'd be like an blue-shyte fan singing "We hate Nottingham Forest, We hate Everton too (They're shite!)".

Damo is a red · 11-14-2007, 09:39 AM

Truth is, it's a crap song anyway. Whenever I hear it, I'm reminded of the drunken old farts in the local working mens club who like to sing it on new years eve and Christmas.

**Dirtycheat** · 11-14-2007, 12:13 PM

there is no hypocrisy in saying that we sung it first and they stole the idea. to my knowledge, we arent singing any songs first sung by liverpool. whether or not we will sing it again is a different issue and also doesnt make it hypocritical. i've grown to hate that song because of hit being sung by the kop, im not saying we should sing it, i am just saying that it was sung by us before the kop.

it's definitely a bit of banter i can hold against a scouser in a friendly arguement.

btw, tettehsrafalution, welcome to the site. its definitely great to hear a different point of view in our discussions. stick around.

**GocartMozart** · 11-14-2007, 02:06 PM

I can definitely agree to that. It really is a crap song.

**randy420** · 11-15-2007, 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GocartMozart

I can definitely agree to that. It really is a crap song.

Indeed.

Crap song, sung by crap fans who support a crap team in a crap city.

It's a circle of crap really. Very fitting

11-11-2007, 04:00 PM	#2 (permalink)
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GocartMozart Status: Roonatic #1 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Liebesträume No. 3 Posts: 1,775 National Team: Bulgaria vCash: 112 Thanks: 453 Thanked 88 Times in 51 Posts	that's all well and good, and you can believe that as a united fan, i couldn't care less. I would like those that have made comments above me, to take into perspective the hypocracy of having a reaction to hearing the song and then saying that it's been stolen from you. The feelings that song generate when I hear it sung are not pleasant and thus I've by default associated it with Liverpool. To then try to pull it back and try to claim it for Manchester United is just silly. The scouse can have it. Anyone else feel bad for Frank Sinatra? He's the true victim. __________________ Quality of Posts > Quantity of Posts There is a reason I bleed red. United until I die. Jessica wants to you to come to Terrace Talk: The Official Blog of United Zone

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Dirtycheat Status: Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,675 Club Team: one guess Players: giggs, scholes, keane, ole, neville vCash: 2714 Thanks: 737 Thanked 693 Times in 278 Posts	there is no hypocrisy in saying that we sung it first and they stole the idea. to my knowledge, we arent singing any songs first sung by liverpool. whether or not we will sing it again is a different issue and also doesnt make it hypocritical. i've grown to hate that song because of hit being sung by the kop, im not saying we should sing it, i am just saying that it was sung by us before the kop. it's definitely a bit of banter i can hold against a scouser in a friendly arguement. btw, tettehsrafalution, welcome to the site. its definitely great to hear a different point of view in our discussions. stick around. __________________ great ava by codd1e Quality > Quantity which is why we give active members who post quality, media and pic room access. 3 Day SPOILER Rule please read Last edited by Dirtycheat; 11-14-2007 at 12:16 PM.

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GocartMozart Status: Roonatic #1 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Liebesträume No. 3 Posts: 1,775 National Team: Bulgaria vCash: 112 Thanks: 453 Thanked 88 Times in 51 Posts	I can definitely agree to that. It really is a crap song. __________________ Quality of Posts > Quantity of Posts There is a reason I bleed red. United until I die. Jessica wants to you to come to Terrace Talk: The Official Blog of United Zone

11-13-2007, 05:51 PM	#4 (permalink)
tettehsrafalution Status: Noob Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 7 Club Team: Liverpool Players: Dalglish, Rush, Barnes, Fowler vCash: 500 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Well - hopefully I won't get slaughtered on here... I'm a Liverpool fan through and through. I signed up on here not to wind you lot up, but to see what your fan-site is like and to hear what UTD fans think of various issues (many a time Liverpool fans put on our red-tinted-specs and it's sometimes refreshing to hear a different perspective). So anyway, I'm going to be on here from time to time, with no intention of making enemies, but only for some good banter and debate. Quite funny that the first topic I see here is about the YNWA anthem. I've heard Liverpool fans adopted it after Gerry and the Pacemakers did a cover of it in 1963, and that supposedly UTD and Celtic fans had sang it at once or twice before then. If that is the case, as it well may be (I hear Mario Lanza sang it for UTD after the munich disaster), it's no skin off my nose. What matters most isn't which set of fans sang it first, but who adopted it as theirs. Many a song has been sang by many fans around the world, but this song resonated enough with Liverpool fans for us to keep singing it over and over again until it is now practically synonymous with our club in footballing circles. We don't claim we wrote the song, and it doesn't matter who sang it first (even now, many clubs in Holland sing it). What matters is we've sang it to our team non-stop ever since, and it's now seen as ours by the media and even other teams' fans - Imagine what would happen if some poor idiot in the Stretford end started singing YNWA during a UTD match? I doubt very much that the gentlemen around him would join in and start singing along remembering the time Mario Lanza sang it... So yeah - Celtic fans may well have sang it before us, and Mario might have sang it for UTD before us, and Frank Sinatra might have had a hit with it in 1945, but today, in footballing circles, most people (at least in England) associate the song with Liverpool because we sing it with passion to our team WHETHER WE'RE WINNING OR LOSING (see Istanbul - we sang that song when we were 3-0 along with chanting we're going to win 4-3). It's that passion for the meaning of the song that means so much to Liverpool fans and players that has made this song ours - NOT who sang it first.

11-13-2007, 08:48 PM	#6 (permalink)
tettehsrafalution Status: Noob Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 7 Club Team: Liverpool Players: Dalglish, Rush, Barnes, Fowler vCash: 500 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Exactly - I can't imagine hearing UTD fans singing YNWA. It'd be like an blue-shyte fan singing "We hate Nottingham Forest, We hate Everton too (They're shite!)".

11-14-2007, 09:39 AM	#7 (permalink)
Damo is a red Status: Noob Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: leeds, England Posts: 35 National Team: Eire, North Ireland, England Club Team: Manchester United Players: Best, Robson, Keane, Huges, Rooney vCash: 500 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Truth is, it's a crap song anyway. Whenever I hear it, I'm reminded of the drunken old farts in the local working mens club who like to sing it on new years eve and Christmas.

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